Soraya Xel wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:If ADS is killable by a single swarm launcher outside of the ADS pilot being incredibly stupid then it simply kills the role.
A solo role that cannot be killed by another solo player specced in the role intended to counter it should not exist. So if ADSes can't live with balanced gameplay, that's their choice.
Thor Odinson42 wrote:The thing about vehicles in pubs is that I don't think they can EVER be balanced vs AV. There are just simply too many solo players and noobs derping things up. If they are balanced for pubs as you are proposing they should be so cheap that you don't worry about losing 4 or 5 a match.
I have long held that I am entirely okay with a vehicle costing as much as a dropsuit, as long as it's balanced to be as powerful as one. ISK cost is not an excuse to be more powerful than two or three players combined.
And yeah, I inherently believe vehicles are broken, and unfixable in DUST. I have a really strong and sincere hope CCP completely redesigns vehicles for Legion from the ground up with proper roles and counters in mind.
No, a vehicle should not be the same as one infantry. Why? Because it is not infantry. It is a vehicle. A vehicle can not do what infantry can do, which is run and jump and hide. It is trading maneuverability and flexibility for heavy firepower and defense. A tank has to sit there, a big target to do anything. One person being able to kill a tank or ADS makes everyone speccing into the FOTM AV way too appealing and too easy to do.
What needs to exist are powerful counters such as installation cannons being more powerful yet fewer on the field but in effective locations. Better yet should be player owned, racial based artillery units.
These would be limited like installation cannons but effective as a one player counter. They would be limited by lack of movement and amount allowed at any one time as well as how long before another one can be called in.
One infantry with AV, being able to be so mobile is just too easy a counter. It would be ok if you had that one guy that may or may not be on the field. It doesn't happen like that. AV being an easy FOTM counter makes everybody field it all the time. This happened before. Also, Nyain San anyone?